We’re proud to present our Guidebook for Potential Candidates, a free resource to anyone considering a legal career change. With detailed information on the in’s and out’s of working with a legal recruiter, resume tips and samples, hints on offer negotiation, and so much more, this guide is a great place to start!
Our series is back, and this week we caught up with Candace Rodriguez. Candace is currently based out of Houston and is one of the newest members on the Kinney team — we’re excited to have her on board.
How did you become a legal recruiter?
I fell into legal recruiting almost 19 years ago. After being a legal assistant for a couple of years, I was frustrated working with attorneys. (Sorry, please don’t take that personally.)
Soon after I left, I helped out a friend on a temp basis at a legal placement agency, and then she begged me to come help them on a contract position. As it turned out, when I stepped into the fast-paced environment of recruiting, I loved the rush. I stayed with that company for 10 years.
What’s the best part of your day?
The best part of my day is when I am connecting with clients and candidates, building relationships and learning their stories. I like the versatility in my job — wearing many hats and stopping everything to fill an urgent contract need.
What’s your favorite part of the placement process?
When I am able help someone! It’s a great feeling to know you have helped to better a candidate’s life and career. The gratitude and the joy I see in my candidates is overwhelming! It’s nice to know that your job matters in ways you can’t comprehend.
What’s been the best trip you’ve taken as a recruiter?
Winning a trip to Cancun for top sales in the legal support division over 7 offices! It was 5-stars, from the food to the spa and snorkeling. Team building exercises, bonding, meeting different colleagues from across the country and becoming life-long friends really made the trip memorable. It was the best trip I’ve ever taken.
If I wasn’t a recruiter, I would ____________.
I would own a Latin Fusion restaurant with amazing guacamole and margaritas!
You’ve heard it all before: It’s all about who you know. You have to put yourself out there. You need to build your network.
So, needless to say, it has been interesting to see the counterpoint to this old adage presented in articles such as ‘Networking Tips for Contrarians’ and ‘99% of Networking is a Waste of Time.’ These pieces brought up many good points, some of which warrant further development.
Networking is a big part of my job. If I don’t have the right connection with the right person who trusts my judgment enough to interview a candidate I like, then I need to find someone who does. That’s part of the reason we operate as a group.
I can’t be everywhere and I can’t know everyone and, as hard as it is to admit this even to myself sometimes, not everyone is going to like or trust me. So the more people with whom I have a positive, trusting relationship, either my own or by proxy through a colleague, the more our candidates will benefit. It seems pretty simple and it is the reason all of us at Kinney spend a fair amount of time every year on the road cultivating our “friendship garden.”
This week we sat down with Chris Miller (yes, we have two Chris Millers on our team). Chris is a Texas-native and currently recruiting in our Dallas office.
Why or how did you become a legal recruiter?
After a brief but illustrious stint at the practice of law in Houston, I had the opportunity to help grow a technology company in California and Texas. Nine years later, it was time to take on a new challenge, so I reached out to my old friend Robert Kinney. Listening to Robert talk about his business and the industry, I was convinced that I could add something of value to the operation, so I agreed to join. Now if I could just remember what that something was. . .
What’s been the hardest lesson you had to learn as a recruiter?
It is difficult to realize and accept that even what appear to be the most obvious and mutually beneficial transactions still don’t always happen and often these deals break down for reasons that are completely outside of your individual control.
We caught up with our fun and outgoing recruiter Rachel Huey this week. We talked about everything from what motivates her to her proudest moment on the job.
How did you become a legal recruiter?
With some incredible luck and timing, I fell into the business right out of college. I majored in advertising in school but realized quickly that an agency job wasn’t going to be the career that really worked for me. So instead, I applied for a communications-oriented job that a legal recruiter had posted online on behalf of one of her clients in the Dallas area.
When I met with her, we had a lot to talk about but also agreed that the posted position wasn’t a fit for me. She then inquired whether I would be interested in working under her to learn to recruit professionals in the legal community. I said yes and, three years later, it’s still the best decision I have ever made. This job is not for the faint of heart, but it’s the best.
What’s been your favorite placement and why?
My favorite placement was the first time I placed a friend candidate with a friend client. One of my great friends was looking for an associate to start with his high-end litigation boutique, and I had another friend who was less-than-happy at her current gig. She was grinding it out at her firm and felt more like a pencil pusher than an advocate for her clients. She mentioned to me in passing over happy hour that she was kinda-sorta keeping her eyes out for a change, something with the right kind of work and culture fit. Though I knew the both of them from what felt like opposite ends of the universe, a light bulb went on.
For our series this week, we’re featuring Jack Hopper, Kinney’s enthusatic managing director!
Why did you become a legal recruiter?
I practiced law for ten years and was looking for a change. My best friend had become a legal recruiter and actually placed me in-house. He thought I would make a great legal recruiter, so I decided to make the switch in 1998 and have never looked back. It has been the best decision career-wise I have ever made.
What’s been your favorite placement and why?
I placed a young lawyer in Miami, Florida with an elite litigation boutique. I met him and knew right away he had the “right stuff”. The client was very particular pedigree wise, and I convinced them to interview my candidate, even though he was not the “best on paper”. They took my advice, interviewed him and called me to say, “You were right.” They made him an offer, and he is now a partner there.
As legal recruiters, we meet, connect and work with a lot of different people every day. We understand differences in personalities and enjoy networking so we can match the right people to the right firm — it’s all part of the job!
What you probably don’t know, though, is how and why we got to where we are. Maybe you’ve never heard how we ended up in the legal industry or even at Kinney Recruiting, so we think it’s important that we tell you a little bit more about ourselves. This is why we decided to start a series that will introduce you to all our recruiters.
This week, we’re featuring Chris Miller: sports aficionado, avid tweeter and Kinney’s Chicago recruiter.
The first piece in this series discussed how to “Ace Your Phone Interview in Five Simple Steps”. Now, we’re focusing on the in-person interview because you can never do enough prep-work when you’re trying to land the perfect position.
By the time you enter a major firm for a sit-down conversation, you’ve been through a lot. You made the decision to at least seriously consider leaving your old firm (probably because you were unhappy), you also had to search for a recruiter, find the right position, submit your application materials and maybe even attend a mock interview with your recruiter — trust us, it’s for your own good. But, be it because of nerves or just plain stress, there are still a few errors candidates make time and time again. And when a candidate flubs in an interview with an associate or partner, it could cost them the job. So to do our part to help out, we’ve laid out four tips to consider before you step foot in your next big interview.
Don’t Fixate on Hours and Compensation
Here’s the thing: If you really want the job, then show your interviewers that you really want the job. It’s that simple. Don’t go in dukes up, ready to fight for the perfect salary or ideal hours. You want the interviewer to like you, and you want the job, obviously. The negotiating can be done later.
Just a heads up, this is what the process should look like: Sell yourself first, then get the offer, then negotiate salary and hours. No interviewer at any firm will ever find a candidate pleasant or easy to work with when that candidate has an attitude about the pay or the hours of the firm. And if it really is that big of an issue, maybe it’s not the right firm for you in the first place. But regardless, that’s something to talk over with your recruiter who has a relationship with the people at the firm, not for you to deal with.
Often, the very first conversation a candidate will have with a potential employer is via a phone call or screening interview. These calls are typically short in length, 15-30 minutes, and are designed to help a potential employer evaluate you as a candidate as quickly as possible. Since today’s candidate pool is a global one, and technology permits employers to easily vet multiple candidates regardless of their time zone (whilst saving employers valuable company time), remote interviewing has become an increasingly common step in the hiring process. So, as a candidate, what is the goal of a phone screen and how do you ace this integral part of the process?
Quite simply, your goal is to convert a phone screen into an in-person meeting. Here’s how:
Step 1: Take the call in a quiet place with clear cell reception
Use of a landline is preferable, but most candidates opt to use their cell phones. Fair or not, poor cell reception or distracting background noise can reflect negatively on a candidate. Since you are unable to read an interviewer’s nonverbal cues (facial expressions, body language, etc.), phone interviewing can be tricky. Ensure that the available channel of communication is as clear and open as possible. I suggest taking the call from your home where you have more control over your environment.
Step 2: Allow the interviewer to frame the call
Listen carefully to an interviewer’s opening pitch and their tone. Some phone screens last only a few minutes and are designed to elicit select pieces of information about you or your experience. It is not the job of a candidate to awkwardly extend a phone screen. Most screening calls, though, balance experience questions with personality-type questions or the “airport test”. (Would a hiring manager want to be stuck in an airport with you?) Being astute, listening and discerning the intent of an interviewer’s line of questioning allows you to effectively craft your responses.
At Kinney, our recruiters are often jetting off and spending time half way across the world. We believe it’s important to sit down with our clients and candidates on a regular basis, so there’s no substitute for getting on the road. We don’t have huge travel budgets, though, so we depend on upgrades for extra comfort, as most of us stay in hotels that are comfortable but not lavish. Through the pain of many miles traveled on less than unlimited funds, we have become professionals in extracting maximum value from the travel industry. So we’re letting you in on a few of our travel secrets as we head into the summer months.
1. Pick a frequent flyer program and stick with it.
There are a lot of airlines, and they all suck if you are just “gen-pop” → “general population”. There will be a lot of aggravation no matter what your status. American Airlines is the last of the major airlines to offer it’s highest level of status to travelers who fly a lot of miles on as few dollars as possible. United and Delta are now requiring a minimum spend. Most of us are AA flyers as a result.
2. Plan ahead with carry-ons and extra baggage.
Although that briefcase or extra backpack you carried on the plane may contain something you desperately need, think twice before sticking it under your seat. Invest in a set of these clear mesh bags and use them to organize the things you might need at your seat (chargers, headphones, pens). The laptop can go in the seat-back pocket for takeoff. Put the rest of your stuff overhead and save your legs.
3. Don’t check bags if you can help it.
Check bags only as a last resort. Evan Jowers, on his way to Hong Kong recently, had his bags become lost for five days. Luckily he had planned to be on holiday. On international trips the airline is only liable for a maximum compensation (per passenger) for lost bags of about $1585, as of June 2015 (the amount floats based on a basket of currencies). There are very few business-trip bags whose contents could be replaced for under $1600.